C.R. Her government did not keep an eye on the situation and sent misleading signals (Withdrawal of the Endurance) that led the Argentines to think there would be no serious response to an invasion. Scary times where had walking around on them. The difference was illustrated in 1983 when Hermes was exercising with an American Carrier in the Caribbean when a storm blew up Hermes recovered her Sea Harriers no problem, it was a bit touch and go for the Yanks. The early warning Garnets would have made surprise low level attacks less successful, and the bombing of their airfields and naval ports would have been a strong possibility. She was the fifth ship to proudly bear the name of the city and her loss sent shockwaves through Meyrick, RN), frigates HMS Exe (A/Cdr. A.W. A.P. Cooke, RN), HMS Hussar (Lt. R.C. Sobieski (British, 11030 GRT, built 1939),
Pugsley, DSO, RN), HMS Nubian (Cdr. However, another interesting fact was that breaking up of Ark Royal took until 1983. It would certainly render the need.for the Vulcan raids moot, although they were largely driven by RAF politics anyway, The only negatives? Group III, 1st Division; Duchess of Bedford, Durban Castle, Ettrick, Warwick Castle. I wonder if we will ever learn? Clark, DSC, RD RNR) and HMS Ulster Monarch (Lt.Cdr. While it needs to be said that the HMS Invincible along with the HMS Hermes, done a very effective job at providing air relief and cover to the task force, a third more capable aircraft carrier would have titled the odds even more in our favour. failure to convert the rivers to be able to carry out asw is another opportunity lost. would have been able to, would have shifted the balance of power more favorably to the British Royal Navy, and provided even greater aircover while possibly deterring the war in the first place. Otranto (British, 20026 GRT, built 1925),
Sadly, the political issue of saving money in spite of our defence needs was one which led to the ultimate decision to scrap Ark Royal, without a replacement fixed-wing aircraft carrier to fulfill her role and functions. There is nothing at the site no wreck on the sea bed. C.F.H. This is the place for you, Everyones experience is unique, but find out what lifes been like for others here, Everything you need to know about joining the Royal Navy, in one place, instructions how to enable JavaScript in your web browser, Defence review will forge a growing Navy with expanding horizons. This convoy was made up the headquarters ship HMS Largs (Cdr. For the landings at Oran three main beaches were selected. ' The Harriers would provide local air defence due it short legs. assigned 829 NAS Wasp HAS.1 XT784 as Rhyl Flt/446, until c Jul 1983. A.A. Martin, DSC, RD, RNR), HMS Rhyl (Cdr. Salacia,
Empire Confidence (British, 5023 GRT, built 1925),
They were escorted by the AA ship HMS Pozarica, escort destroyers HMS Bicester, HMS Bramham, frigate HMS Rother, minesweeper HMS Cadmus, MS trawlers HMS Juliet, HMS Rysa, HMS Stroma and the motor launches HMS ML 283, HMS ML 336 and HMS ML 338. Sinclair, RN), HMS Amazon (Lt.Cdr.(Emgy.) The real bit of what if history (if you like a we bit of fantasy) would be what would have happened if we had not cancelled the new carrier. As Harry said, had history been different and the Ark survived into the 1980s, then (assuming it was available) it wouldnt have been as effective as the combined effect of Hermes and Invincible. She was launched on 9 July 1964, and was delivered to the Royal Navy two years later.A twin launcher for the Seaslug anti-aircraft missile was fitted aft.At the start of the Falklands campaign, on 2 April 1982, Two weeks later on 14 May, she supported British special forces during the At the beginning of June, the task force having been reinforced with other ships, Before the missile impact, the ship executed a highspeed turn away from the missile, before the Exocet struck the port side adjacent to the hangar near the stern. R.L. If Ark Royal went with either Hermes or Invincible, the air group would be bigger and more capable: Ark royal typically carried 26ish buccs and phantoms. The turn had prevented the missile from striking the ship's side perpendicularly and penetrating; instead, it hit the deck The blast travelled forwards and down, and the missile body, still travelling forwards, penetrated the hangar door, causing the ship's fully fuelled and armed On the following day, repairs were made at sea and, after the Argentinian surrender on 14 June, more extensive repairs were undertaken in the sheltered bay of A Memorial was erected in 2011 in memory of the ship and the lost crew at Hookers Point outside Stanley.Her last active deployment for the Royal Navy was in 1983/4 and she was sent on the Armilla Patrol with MoD release detailing date and position of sinking, 25 July 2008 This was a Rothesay class anti-submarine frigate built at Portsmouth and completed in 1960. Tiba and
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Buccaneers flew low over Belize City to reassure residents. G.L.D. We (in 1982) are a major NATO nation, a nuclear power with multiple tactical nukes as well as Polaris. William Wirt and
The HMS Endurance of 1981 served as the Her Majestys station ship in the Falkland Islands. LCU F4 was one of four landing craft assigned to HMS Fearless with 4 Assault Squadron Royal Marines, designed to land commandos and their kit ashore which they did from the moment the campaign to re-take the Falklands began with the landings at San Carlos on May 21. HMS Rhyl Ships Nostalgia is the forum and discussion board for all things ships and shipping, providing a friendly community, advanced discussion board, gallery and more for your use. Falklands War. HMS Glamorgan was a County-class destroyer of the Royal Navy with a displacement of 5,440 tonnes. The ship was built by Vickers-Armstrongs in Newcastle Upon Tyne and named after the Welsh county of Glamorgan. J.H. Tyrwhitt, DSC, RN), HMS Troubridge (Capt. Hampson, RNR), HMS Ronaldsay (T/Lt. Clarke, RN, flying the flag of Rear-Admiral C.H.J. Oxborrow, DSC, RN). I remember the look sees on Bulwark and Tiger and Blake. Weather was to bad to land at Lampion Island but the island appeared to be uninhabited. Jauncey, RN), HMS Pozarica (Capt.(Retd.) Alcinous,
The peacetime crews of the "Round Table" ships British merchant seamen, operating under Ministry of Defence jurisdiction were joined by British servicemen as signalmen, stevedores and gunners.[7][8]. L.J.S. Moffatt, RNR), HMS Othello (T/Lt. never mind the rivers, t45,s, frigates et al the u.k primary nato task is to deny access to the north atlantic to the russian northern fleet. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations and Mandatory Fun, https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/hms-eagle-in-the-falklands.447558/. Had we continued with conventional carrier the harrier would have never been pressed in to navy service. Thatchers government had published the infamous 1981 defence review which would have seen HMS Invincible sold to Australia and Fearless and Intrepid scrapped, in addition a patrol vessel usually deployed to the region was withdrawn. Billot, RNR), HMS Walney (Lt.Cdr. They also tried Bulwark and pretty much the same answer. Looking at the pictures of the sea states down there I would be genuinely worried whether she could have coped with them for months on end. Bockett-Pugh, DSO, RN) and HMS Wishart (Cdr. Dempo (Dutch, 17024 GRT, built 1931),
Island nation that depends on imported energy to keep the lights on. The 14 Phantoms and 14 Buccaneers would have been pressed very hard and the horrendous sea conditions in the South Atlantic might have well made launch and recovery impossible at times.. The equivelent of jumping up and down and shouting look at me. He served in the Malayan emergency after a period of service with the Royal Scots., After the war, members of the junta stated that they had not expected Britain to do anything about it and it came as a very big shock when the task force sailed. They were escorted by the escort destroyers HMS Lamerton (Lt.Cdr. D. Lampen, DSO, RN), HMS Alarm (T/Lt.Cdr. Sherwood, RNR). Thirty-eight years ago, HMS Coventry sank during the Falklands War. The coxswain of Foxtrot 4 ignored orders to stay away from the fire-ravaged HMS Antelope after an unexploded bomb detonated. Royal Navy Frigates Armada Navy Ships Wwii Boat Gallery British Modern Nostalgia. Duchess of Bedford,
If she had been retained I dont think she could have dealt with the South Atlantic without safety concerns for our men as she was very tired in 1979. Likely in wartime boosted up a bit. A.H.T. I believed they even looked at an ocean going tug towing a Bulwark down there with strap on DG sets in containers fixed on board for power just to provide an extra flight deck. Same problems with the QE2 class other than the fact that they are brand new. X ', ' Y ' and ' Z ' beach. It was made up of the following (troop) transports;
The island surrendered in the evening. I dont believe the Argentines would have taken the islands if Hermes and the Ark had been retained as fast jet carriers. Strathnaver,
We are cursed by Governments who seem to ignore their first duty Defence of the Nation Hammond is a first class example of an idiot who with a wave of the hand stresses we only need an Army of 50,000 . So nothing really changes then, with wholesale disposal of assets only to discover they are needed just a few years later. The carriers first line HMS Escapade and HMS Marne were apparently detached to Gibraltar on the convoy passing the Strait of Gibraltar. Charles H. Cramp,
All forces sailed on 10 June to be off Pantellaria on 11 June 1944. The headquarters ship HMS Bulolo and the landing ships HMS Karanja, HMS Keren, HMS Royal Scotsman, HMS Royal Ulsterman and Ulster Monarch and the attack transports USS Samuel Reina del Pacifico,
Ocean Volga (British, 7174 GRT, built 1942),
HMS Hermes, was converted to a helicopter carrier, and then to a vertical take-off and landing aircraft carrier suitable for the Harrier jump jets which were invaluable to military I think the simple answer to the headline is yes, as there would have been greater air cover and range to protect the ships in the fleet, with Argentina well aware of this fact they may not have invaded. Gelling, DSC, RD, RNR). Better news for RN carrier aviation too. It was temperamental in cold weather. Gannets were located and in process ofRead more , This is a narrow and silly proposition. How much can the Turkish Leopard 2 losses in Syria be put What does the historical evidence say regarding the Press J to jump to the feed. The Royal Navy was in a middle of another round of defence cuts which would have meant some of the capital ships including HMS Invincible would have been sold. Our days of being able to project influence through our military are over. Around 0700A/5, the corvette HMS Samphire arrived at Gibraltar with defects from convoy KMS A1. His interests include strategy, grand strategy in the Middle East and the Asia Pacific, international relations and politics, maritime strategy, counter-terrorism, counter-insurgency warfare, and maritime policy. H.M. Darell-Brown, RN), cutters HMS Hartland (Lt.Cdr. The war needed to have been fought as long as the Argentinians held the Falklands. L.H. https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/hms-eagle-in-the-falklands.447558/ great story. Leinster (British, 4302 GRT, built 1937)
Wilson scrapped the newer ship. Following Royal Navy service she was sunk as a target in 1985. This is a list of the naval forces from the United Kingdom that took part in the Falklands War, often referred to as "the Task Force" in the context of the war. Moving slowly in open waters, she proved easy prey for Argentine aircraft. Williams, RNR) departed Gibraltar to join convoy KMS A1. Francis Pym was Foreign Minister, John Nott was Defence Minister, a former banker who had no knowledge or experience of Defence matters at all, and he was brought in simply to administer MASSIVE cuts to the armed forces, mainly the RN. Graham, RNR) and HMS Tasajera (Lt.Cdr. The Admiralty had decided to make use of the expected confusion of the landings in North Africa to run two 'small' merchant ships with important cargo to Malta. To what end? The F-4 was undoubtedly a more capable naval interceptor than the Sea Harrier. Menzies, RN), HMS Penelope (Capt. Please use this if you spot mistakes or want to improve this ships page. Therefore its likely that it would have never have crossed the Airforce mind to deploy theirs on ships. For ' Y ' beach
ADM numbers indicate documents at the British National Archives at Kew, London. the talk of the 7th astute being cancelled is yet another failing of this nation to follow the old adage of in times of peace, prepare for war,. Catapult launches put enormous stresses through an airframe and significantly reduce the life thereof. LCUs Foxtrot 1 and 4 supported HMS Antelope after she was attacked by Argentinian aircraft. As despatch vessels, carrying mail between the Task Force and Ascension Island. Surely had the Hermes/other assets been deployed as a show of force the war could have been avoided. L.A. Sayers, RNR), HMS Samphire (Lt.Cdr. With no Falklands war the junta would probably have survived for some time, with increasingly brutal suppression ofRead more . HMS Plymouth was a Royal Navy Rothesay -class frigate. Lakin, DSC, RN) and HMS P 54 (Lt. C.E. Oliver is a student at the University of East Anglia studying for a PhD in International Security. 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