I am not sure we can know, but Aramaic seems likely, although Scripture would be studied in Hebrew. Calling the Twelve to him, he sent them out two by two and gave them authority over evil spirits. [Mark 6:6-7], .2) Gospel of Luke time lag between being appointed and being sent One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. What were Pauls specific sins as a Christian? To date, there is either historical nor tradional evidence to support Sauls presence. Paul claims to have been educated by Gamaliel, one of the premier teachers of the Law in the first century. The Apostle Paul met him during his second missionary journey and he became Paul's companion and missionary partner along with Silas. He had nowhere to sleep, and had to go stay in a hotel for several days. He has Masters degrees in Biblical Exposition and Old Testament from Talbot School of Theology (BIOLA) and a PhD in New Testament from Andrews University. Do you have a Biblical basis for your response? How many times did Jesus speak to Paul? Reliability is certainly an issue. Believe. Furthermore, youre also essentially calling Paul a liar. therefore I urge you to imitate me, and I have become all things to all men. Paul thinks hes Boss, and doesnt need to listen to your instructions that I gave him.. Here however it plainly is not. Where is your yeshiva in Houston? What were Pauls specific sins as a Christian? Cool ! He will give himself a special title, write at least one special book, and claim special authority, with no need for a second witness to back him up. Perhaps Gamiliels views influenced Pauls personal comments on marriage in 1 Corinthians 7 (Polhill, Paul and his Letters, 30). Gymnasiums were built for these people who participated in game in which they engaged in sports naked. Perhaps this may not be too much of a stress, no? Why is it so hard to give a straight answer to this simple question? Wright (and others) point out that Gamaliel II seems more, er, pacifist Acts, while Paul seems to want to zealously pursue those who are accusing the High Priest of killing an innocent man. These mostly have something to do with marriage and divorce. ), In essence, it is also the same principle as what Eve did in the Garden of Eden, forgetting about the Tree of Life, which is the first tree in the middle of the Garden, and instead referring to the second tree as the tree that is in the middle of the garden. [Genesis 3:3 & 2:9 2:17, 3:24], Kind of like the Pharisees with Jesus, who were pushing the false idea that we can consider ONE commandment in the Law, alone in isolation, to be the greatest commandment in the Law., Or like today, false teachers in the Chrislam Purpose Driven Seeker Sensitive Emergent Liberal Ecumenical New Age world church movement pushing the false idea that the ONE RULE is Loving God and Neighbor together.. Paul made up his own rule. A generation before Christ there were two great rabbis, Hillel and Shammai. Paul was accustomed to learning from his elders as he developed as a Pharisee (Galatians 1:14). How about written in stone in heaven (in other words, for eternity.) When did Paul study under Gamaliel? The people who Paul persecuted were Diaspora Jews who accepted Jesus as Messiah and claimed that God raised Jesus from the dead. This is more accurate, important, and authoritative than personal letters written by Paul the Pharisee, who never knew Jesus personally, had no part in His ministry, and had no eyewitness testimony. Hello Pastor Thapa your problem is not unique to Nepal, people everywhere like to rank themselves above others. Maybe there is someone I could bounce this off, to get some ideas. In Paul's letters we see that he had a deep understanding of the law. The Hat is, What were Pauls sins?, The music starts, with a cheery blast of trumpets in a melody that is familiar to most North Americans- the Mexican Hat Dance. (The national dance of Mexico, taught in Mexican public schools since 1921, and officially named El Jarabe Tapatio.), A couple in rather elaborate traditional costumes begins the dance. Paul, (Timothy1:1) Jesus said, "Ye must be born again" to? Sounds almost like he was in the personal transportation industry back in sword and sandal epic days Peter Charioteer? Maybe not. Just open the Gospels, especially Mathew, which has you in mind, and listen to the voice of Yeshua. The Acts of the 12 Apostles arent even Canonical but some trash letters that have brought nothing good to the world are exalted as scripture, which is because Paul says scripture in it, which actually is equal to Aggadah and not inspired or less important. It makes a big difference to the owner, the worker objected. Never mind what Paul said. Im following Jesus. You seem to want to impose your views of the modern church on ancient house churches. Similarly,When did Paul study under Gamaliel? We cannot prove that Judas was present at that time, and we cannot prove that Matthias was absent at that time when Jesus spoke those words. As much as I appreciate you keeping an almost 4 year old thread alive, you just do not contribute much to the conversation. Paul claims to have been educated by Gamaliel, one of the premier teachers of the Law in the first century. He is so nonsensical in his opinion and claims that one never reads his Epistles in full without thinking, Is he for real?. Paul is not a liar; he just has a dual citizenship. Paul was in Jerusalem from the age of 3 (under Gamaliel), so to assume he already knew how to WRITE Greek would be fallacious.. What does Josephus say about Gamaliel? The words spoken by Jesus, recorded in our Bible by Matthew Mark Luke & John, should be above all other words. Undoubtedly, most of the Jews knew who Gamaliel was, and thus they allowed Paul to speak. I am not uncomfortable with you at all, although some other users have suggest you be banned for your rather odd way of thinking. (Paul said so is one witness, but you need to establish every matter by the testimony of two or three witnesses. I dont want to bite the hand that feeds me (and my family). Have heard some scholars saying that If Paul was living in the 21 century he would have had 5 phd, how true is that. Only $35.99/year. He was also a hellene or hellenized jew of the diaspora as part of the culture of the greeks so he was also schooled in Greek logic and would have been knowledgeable in the classics of Plato and Aristotle, Stoism and Epicureanism. His dissertation was published as Jesus the Bridegroom by Pickwick Books in 2012. and as long as the food was not sacrificed to idols and was kosher you could eat with gentiles. Evidence for this more accommodating opinion is found in the book of Acts. To know the truth is a blessing from Allah, if I had to guess you just have not been taught what Islam teaches, and we honor all Prophets (pbut) revere the 12 Apostles and have never acknowledged that Paul was one of Jesus (p) Apostles, but have always known he was responsible for the corruption of the Truth about God and the Messiah (p). Then when the paint is dry, Ill move back into the house, and you can paint the garage., The painting contractor hired a new foreman named Paul, and gave him the homeowners instructions. Here are 3 examples. What you consider mainsteam Judaism is nothing like the previous sects of Judaism and infact evolved after the temple was destroyed. See also John 17:17; Eph 5:17; Acts 2:41. The job is to paint the garage and house what difference does it make which one is first? Gamaliel is not a Christian, but he certainly demonstrates that attitude in this story! For example, I talk a bit about this issue in these posts: https://readingacts.com/2013/08/29/the-new-perspective-on-paul-did-paul-convert-to-christianity/, https://readingacts.com/2013/09/08/paul-and-judaism/, https://readingacts.com/2017/09/04/was-paul-a-pharisee/. I agree that the teaching of Gamaliel did influence his life and was the foundation of his ministry because he is a Talmudim from that school. (Eastern Orthodox). There are three things bearing on this subject among the incidental intimations which we have in respect to the early history of Saul, viz. The only think I have examined from him (Yeshua: A Guide to the Real Jesus and the Original Church) is occasionally accurate, but often wildly wrong. When Im at the beach with the hip crowd, I wont take a stand in public. Therefore, in times when there is no clarity, we should end there and not come up with our own assumptions. Gamaliel is reported to have offered somewhat lenient advice concerning the early preaching of the apostles (Acts 5:34-39). Paul is the model pastor for many modern Pauls like; a) Bob Coy, who still owns all the assets and controls all the money at his cult known as Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale, in spite of his recent resignation as Senior Pastor there due to adultery with multiple woman and other major sins that he still has never specifically admitted to personally. Yes the Holy Spirit guided him in his writings, but part of being human is how we are shaped from our teachers and mentors. Benjamin was a euphemism for Herodian Jew btw so Pharisee or not Paul was loyal to Herod, his friend was foster brother of Herod the tetrarch or Herod something, but Herod. Jesus never calls us out For what we used to be. Acts of the Apostles, 5 speaks of Gamaliel as a man held in great esteem by all Jews and as the Jewish law teacher of Paul the Apostle in Acts 22:3. . The alternative must be that the author of Acts was using some literary licence in portraying the event. First, Gamaliel was one of the premier teachers of the Law in the first century. In Galatians 1:21, Paul wrote, "I went into the regions of Syria and Cilicia .". in a meticulous, more comprehensive way. If you look at both the Greek and the Hebrew they were clearly called Netzarim (Nazarites) . You can read Peters advice for yourself- then open your Bible to Matthew, John, Revelation, and Mark, and listen to Jesus for yourself! Evangelism is not the most important commandment, and it isnt the entire Second Commandment. Which is why the Holy Spirit and Jesus chose to use Paul I believe because he had all the good and needed training before his conversion. Paul said: I became your father. Paul, Silas, and Timothy desired to enter Asia to spread the gospel there, but the Holy Spirit prevented them. When cult members repeat their mantra, it makes them deaf to the voice of God, unable to hear God. In fact in the book of John Jesus is pointed out as a Pharisee. People trained by Paul to carry on the work after he left. gamaliel was the greatest of the teachers of the pharisees, perhaps of all time, because he was said to have known the law at a doctorate level, so it was with great wisdom that he told the. While Paul was studying under Gamaliel he was exposed to Hellenism, including the gymnasium. Acts 22:3. Tha A in TanAch. To what extent should we use Pauls training at the feet of Gamaliel as background to understanding his later theology? IMHO, most of the sports analogies are from the Olympic styled games which were found throughout the empires. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. [Acts 20:31 vs Acts 19:8-10], .4) Paul abandoning the Church in Corinth after a year and a half for no obvious reason, and going off on another long trip, mostly on his own, without appointing anyone else in Corinth as overseer, or giving anyone else any specific authority in the Church in Corinth. Acts presents the evangelizing apostle and church leader Barnabas as a model of integrity and character. Nave's Topical Index. The underlying unspoken assumption is that The Bible (66 Books) was given to us by God as one book and its all equal in level of authority, priority, and importance. One could envisage that the power of God was already hard wired in the heart some people through faith in his words and by grace in his blood just as Gamaliel proclaimed, A homeowner called his friend, who was a painting contractor. Belivers in Yeshua adhered to Lev, 23 and worshipped on the true shabbat. I trust that no one is offended and that as a result of this comment, we might get closer to Him, The Truth. The man throws his huge sombrero hat on the floor, and the couple dances around it, but never steps on the hat. Clearly youve never taken hebrew or greek in your life. Considering the writing of the Mishnah and Talumd are collection of previous works from various Yeshivas (ie before the New Testament) clearly shows you have no idea what youre talking about in regards to Judaism and how the text was culminated. The soul of Saint Gamaliel appeared to the presbyter Lucian in AD 415 and told him where to find the relics of Stephen and those of his own body. blasphemy! Matthias was qualified, appointed, and later recognized as part of The Twelve. Tobit is a good reference In the Babylonian Talmud, Zevahim 97b and 100b there are statements given in the name of Rabbi Akiva that in the case of an unclaimed body, if no one is attending to it, the responsibility for the buriasl of this corpse falls on this person, who must do it despite any obstacles, regardless if one is a High Priest or Nazirite, neither of whom are allowed to become tamei, ritually impure. Hello A. Gazali, It seems you have a hunger for the truth. Paul may be seeing this as another threat to the Law and acts as his predecessors did to preserve the culture and traditions of the Pharisaical movement and interpretations. it was mandatory for all males at some point to go to yeshiva this applies to Yeshua and his disciples as well. Return to your own blog and post this stuff. This is a matter of defining ones terms. However I do travel to Dallas for Shavuot to visit one of Messianic Rabbis down there. If we need a man or a group of men to interpret the Word for us, that would make it a revelation that needs to be revealed. Is it a commentary on the book of Acts in blog form? Gamaliel the Elder, or Rabban Gamaliel I, was a leading authority in the Sanhedrin in the early first century CE. Yeshua quotes many of them and in many cases agreed or corrected their rulings. Not the voice of the accuser, Boss Paul the Pharisee, Telling the redeemed people of God About what they used to be. One syllable, beginning with a consonant. Well Maybe that spirit isnt the Holy Spirit of Jesus, maybe you are bound in spirit by the evil spirit of Paul the Pharisee. I am truly a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as you all are this day. Hillel disagreed on this aspect, due to many converts in the Torah ( Ruth, Obidiah, Abraham etc.) Pauls athletic references good point Emily. Romans 10:4 states For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. Law. He was a ruthless persecutor who sought to stop what he saw as an aberration within Judaism. Second, Gamaliel taught between A.D. 22-55, so we can get an approximate early date for Pauls education. However, there are other times when Paul puts his Christian beliefs and what Jesus has to say before the Pharisaical rules and is willing to break a rule or be mocked for something and instead, do something Jesus way. One special person, alone, with special words, and a special title, who could never be WRONG. We need to get to work applying that paint to the garage and house as quick as we can. His primary Im sorry that Christians cant come to grips in their confirmation bias that both Yeshua and Pauls ministries was infact Judaism. Not to say that Paul completely left his Jewish heritage (thats a separate blog) and the almost violent passion with which he held onto them (see Galatians 5:12). You need to read more than later recollections of what Hillell and Shammai said (ie.,, Mishnah and Talmud, both much later than the New Testament and there is a great discussion in scholarship over how much of that material reflects the real world of the first century). We should not follow the jesus of Paul the Pharisee or Muhammad or any other man, who had their own ideas of who jesus was and what He did. Begins with a consonant. Granted Shammaite pharisees love their Torah to that extent as well, but it is not a distinctly Shammaite practice. Not the Jesus of the Koran, written by Muhammad the self-appointed prophet, and not the Jesus of Paul the Pharisee, the self-appointed apostle. If I were a missionary to England, I would certainly want to learn all I could about football, tea, and Doctor Who. Supposition isnt the problem. Which owner would be upset if we finished early? As for your denial of a range of opinions in the first century, I suggest a something on the Dead Sea Scrolls, representing a more conservative view of practice than the Pharisees or Sadducees. FWIW, the name is spelled Ron Moseley. If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about A.D. 6 at the earliest. So the biggest problem with the church in Corinth was Paul himself, and his abusive absentee leadership style. Galatians: Freedom through Gods Grace (Wipf & Stock, 2019). You cite NT Wright as describing the Shammaite Pharisee as a militant hard-liner that was not willing to work with Rome as long as they could study the Torah. I do not, however, see this as the case in the rest of the book of Acts, where Paul works the Roman system in his favor. I am not at all sure you have read my article accurately, nor really spent much time on this site reading the things I post here. Pauls relationship with Gamaliel two years ago, Paul and Gamaliel | ChristianBookBarn.com, The Book of Enoch for Beginners: A Guide to Expand Your Understanding of the Biblical World. When did Paul study under Gamaliel? Plenty of time for him to get familiar with popular Greek culture in order to draw appropriate analogies. My question is, is it too outrageous to see Pauls tendency (pre-conversion and post-conversion) as one that is either starting up a new hybrid of Jewish thought or a member of one of the smaller groups already formed? Like Brad Young, he is deeply influenced by David Flusser but unlike Flusser and Young, he is less in touch with mainstream Jewish scholarship. Darris McNeely - Dec 7, 2022 | In this class we will discuss Acts 5:26-41 thru Acts 6:1-7 and notice the following events: the apostles being persecuted by the Sanhedrin for teaching in Christ's name; how a Pharisee named Gamaliel spoke up on behalf of the apostles; and the choosing of seven men to help the disciples distribute food. Christian Pharisees were not unknown, even if we cannot know for sure if the wishful thinking of the traditions is true about Gamaliel and Nicodemus. It is possible that Paul was not of the Hillel form of Pharasism, but rather the more radical Shammaite party. (check out wikipedia on yeshiva, that will give you a feel for a Torah / talmudic education, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshiva), I could careless who Saul aka Paul studied with ,the fact that someone studies does not hold anything within that person thinking or make up. That is why there was no mention of Believe and be saved The New Covenant was not even inaugurated until the Last Passover Supper and the 2 Commandments are clearly described in 1st John. . (Paul insisted that all the workers show respect for him by addressing him as Boss Paul.) Paul called the team of painters together and told them: Boys, we need to paint this garage and house. Exactly what Issa (p) al Masih said NOT TO! Paul was a Pharisee. Neither do I condemn you said Jesus, to a woman entrapped by dogs. R. N. I choose to believe the testimony of multiple eyewitnesses who walked with Jesus and who knew Jesus personally. To think that all Jewish people were completely unified is to share the same fantasy Christians have about the early church. The Apostle Peter made reference to Prophecy of Scripture, not All Scripture, and no its not the same thing at all. Human teachers and influences, for some at least, did not matter. Now, we have got a complete detailed explanation and answer for everyone, who is interested! For that matter, was he even n the observing crowd at the time of the 1st Pentecost speech by Peter? This comes from inconsciously believing Pauls mantra, the Evangelical Mantra, that All Scripure is God-breathed, and falsely assuming Paul was referring to every word in the 66 Books of the Bible. He just doesnt suddenly become submission to government and punishment, or in his words a prisoner of Jesus Christ. He is, at least, in some small way returning to what he could have been taught by Gamaliel. Paul probably understood Judaism better than all of these false teachers put together. . Then again youre the one creating a construct that Paul was Shammai. Match. it is not uncommon for a student to disagree with his teachers viewpoints. Ron Mosely and the archaeology team has gone through great lengths to disprove your theory by presenting actual archaeological evidence.. The Orthodox Muslim view of the Koran as self-evidently the Word of God, perfect and inimitable in message, language, style, and form, is strikingly similar to the fundamentalist Christian notion of the Bibles inerrancy and verbal inspiration that is still common in many places today. The false teaching about one rule is the false teaching of the Pharisees of Pauls day, and Paul the Pharisee was pushing this false teaching. The Lord Our God is ONE God Greatest Commandment according to the Messiah (p). Er was the first person God killed for being wicked ( Gen 38:7 ). This is very similar to The Beatles- All you need is love. Are you the Patricio Abramzon who attended the Evelyn Rubenstein Jewish Community Center in Houston? And the head Mormon Apostle. The Apostle John recorded about the New Jerusalem, The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. [Revelation 21:14], The Apostles are 12 faithful eyewitnesses who walked with Jesus during His entire earthly ministry, and Matthias is the 12th. Three hours, noon to 3 pm. Gods commandments are found in the Law of Moses and the Prophets, which Jesus came to FULFILL, (not to abolish, as the false apostle Paul the Pharisee taught.) I wrote a short note on Pauls relationship with Gamaliel two years ago and it has been one of the more popular posts on Reading Acts. But he certainly does not handle the NT very well from what I have read. Your ignorant slander of Paul shows a deep seated hatred toward God and His word. In fact, it almost sounds as if he is name-dropping in order to impress people! Jesus is in agreement with the Law and the Prophets and came to fulfill them. [Matthew 5:17-20]. So Ill smoke with them, but I wont let the weed alter my own mind, because I didnt inhale! In order to be accepted in the Establishment church fellowship, you have to smoke the weed of Paul Worship- just be true to yourself and dont inhale., Maybe I could speak in code, like they did in the New Testament church with the fish symbol. I find it interesting to look at this perspective that you pointed out, PLong: He was an ultra-conservative reacting to what he perceived as a dangerous liberal view. Everyone seems to give Saul a bad rap (and rightly so) for his actions towards believers before his conversion, however, this at least gives us a context to understand him better. Is it possible that Paul did conceive of certain individual missions against Christians as consistent with a rendering of mercy, that is, mercy to the stability of cultural Judaism rather than mercy to minority Jews (i.e., Christians)? Lets see. When Paul was arrested, he told the people and the authorities, "I am a Jew, born in Tarsus in Cilicia, but brought up in this city, educated at the feet of Gamaliel according to the strict manner of the law of our fathers, being zealous for God as all of you are this day" (Acts 22:3). scholars can go in making probable rather than possible (speculative) inferences? The character and position of his father. But Pauls teachings drive one up the wall. Paul undermined Apollos and heretically claimed I became your father. But that isnt the only meaning, or even the first and primary meaning. You will seek Him and find Him when you seek Him with all your heart.. To my Bible-believing Evangelical friends: If you have been reading some of my posts and you feel a spirit rising up inside you telling you: Hes wrong !!! This mantra is a misinterpretation out of context of 2 Timothy 3:16. Im horrified that youre taking Jewish writings and making crazy stories out of them. take Paul leaving his honor spot of next chief of the Sanhedrin (being Gamaliel's student). The command given by our Lord and Savior Is not a Pharisee speaking alone It came rather through your apostles Matthew Peter and John, If a Pharisee boasts proudly Those men added nothing to my message He doesnt speak for Jesus His words are nothing more than garbage, Bibliography All quotes in quotation marks are from the writings of the Apostles Matthew John and Peter in the Bible, mostly the Red Letter words of Jesus. He tells his readers that he is "a Hebrew of Hebrews.". There are things which are not revealed and there are things which are revealed to us. Terms in this set (31) Where was Paul born? Since Paul clearly gives his yeshiva and his lineage, it shows he wasnt a Christian before and after Damascus. three years His claim before . Nowhere. There were at least 2 elements of Paul's training. 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